SFCCI World Records

[Kinnakeeter]

150 Will Nash 858.12 March-10
125 Lou McEachern 809.6 October-07

[Nickaway]

SFCCI worlds. We always would invite anyone in the world to compete in our events so we called them a world championship. We have had many casters from different countries compete her with us, so It was an open and called a world championship. We of course were told we could not by some other clubs but chose to ignore them. They also said we had to use .31mm running line as a safety issue. At one of the events, I think it was 2000 we did a cast using any running line to see if it made any difference, .28 proved to be the best casting and allowed people to compete with one reel, we had no safety issues and still use .28 they could not justify the line diameters they chose Regards Nickaway

[curtisb]

Good point Nick about the line diameters,.03mm isn't going to make that much difference. You would have to base it on lb test for safety and since poundages jump so much depending on which line you use this isn't a vaiable argument either because so many manufactures base their ratings on different methods of testing their poundages from one to the other. Good example is the new rule saying you can use .31mm for 175 gram now. What is the difference between using .28mm for 125 and 150 vs using .31mm for 150 and 175. If safety is the issue than it needs to be based on a certain lb test and a certain brand line that has been proven safe for the weight being used. Besides safety is the whole reason for using a shock leader of a certain size and a certain amount of wraps ahead of the running line. Heck why not just go back to .35mm for all weights like in the old days you may say. Well it is hard to find .35 now days since most lines (in the US anyway) are .33mm for 12lb test. There will always be difference of opinions when it comes to this subject. All we can do is either play by the majority rule or play by our own. If you are concerned if you break a record and it being recognized by all clubs then play it safe and use the line the majority uses.
By the way, that 821 of Lou's if I remember right was with .35mm line.

[Dig-on-me]

There will always be difference of opinions when it comes to this subject. All we can do is either play by the majority rule or play by our own. If you are concerned if you break a record and it being recognized by all clubs then play it safe and use the line the majority uses.

EXACTLY! The question has been brought up before and here lately. You are right Curtis, if any caster is worried about breaking a possible US record, then go by the standard rule out there. You have to remember that in SFCCI rules the MINIMUM line diameter is .28 but does not say that you can't use something bigger!

Carlos

[Kinnakeeter]

If safety is the issue than it needs to be based on a certain lb test and a certain brand line that has been proven safe for the weight being used. Besides safety is the whole reason for using a shock leader of a certain size and a certain amount of wraps ahead of the running line.

Exactly...I guarantee you that most SFCCI casters can break .28, .31, or .35 once that shock line is off the reel. If the reel blows up, that line's gonna seperate. The safety control is having a long enough court to contain the break offs.

If you are concerned if you break a record and it being recognized by all clubs then play it safe and use the line the majority uses. By the way, that 821 of Lou's if I remember right was with .35mm line.

You have to remember that in SFCCI rules the MINIMUM line diameter is .28 but does not say that you can't use something bigger!

I'm using .36 this year....

[curtisb]

Will, the reason behind the .35mm line back then was because Stren sponsord the tourney's and there 12lb gold line was .35mm and there 50lb gold line was .75mm which was the shocker line used. The largest weight cast back then was 150gram(5 1\4 oz) and they went by the rule one pound per once of lure weight. The 50lb/.75mm shocker worked for both 125 and 150 same as today though we throw lighter and heavier weights now. There is no rule that says your line can be larger. If you can throw 800' with .75mm running line you wouldn't need a shocker. Of course you would have to also throw a much bigger reel to hold that much larger line and if you can I say go for it.

[Nickaway]

if any caster is worried about breaking a possible US record

If you do it with .28 it is still a record. SFCCI records are US records. Regards Nickaway

[curtisb]

if any caster is worried about breaking a possible US record

If you do it with .28 it is still a record. SFCCI records are US records. Regards Nickaway

The problem is will SCUSA recognize it as a 150grm record if it is with .28mm line, probably not. This is were the problem lies. SFCCI is the only US club that allows .28mm line with 150grm sinkers. That's why I say use the line recognized by all clubs for the weight you intend to break a record for.

Ok I had to add this to this post. If the record were big enough they would probably recognize it but it would be noted that .28mm line was used. Then there would probably be those who would say that it was cast with an illegal line size and shouldn't be recognized. So back to square one and as I said before just use what all clubs recognize and save the grief.

[Dig-on-me]

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Carlos

[curtisb]

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Carlos

I agree Carlos, the clubs need to be united and all rules need to be the same so there is no confusion. But I have to side with Nick on the line issue. Like I said above, what is the difference between 125-150 using .28mm vs 150-175 using .31mm line. Also like Will said most break-offs are down field once the weight is on it's way. There have been very few instances(in casting tourneys) were the line came lose in the power stroke. So the field length becomes the safety margin.

Oh, I do use .31mm when I cast 150grm.